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NZ research shows Pacific islands not shrinking
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Eric Gisin
2010-06-03 00:07:59 UTC
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http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/nz-research-shows-pacific-islands-not-shrinking-3577883#

Published: 6:06AM Thursday June 03, 2010

An Auckland University researcher has offered new hope to the myriad small island nations in the
Pacific which have loudly complained their low-lying atolls will drown as global warming boosts sea
levels.

Geographer Associate Professor Paul Kench has measured 27 islands where local sea levels have risen
120mm - an average of 2mm a year - over the past 60 years, and found that just four had diminished
in size.

Working with Arthur Webb at the Fiji-based South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission, Kench used
historical aerial photographs and high-resolution satellite images to study changes in the land
area of the islands.

They found that the remaining 23 had either stayed the same or grown bigger, according to the
research published in a scientific journal, Global and Planetary Change.

"It has been thought that as the sea level goes up, islands will sit there and drown," Prof Kench
told the New Scientist. "But they won't.

"The sea level will go up and the island will start responding.

One of the highest profile islands - in a political sense - was Tuvalu, where politicians and
climate change campaigners have repeatedly predicted it will be drowned by rising seas, as its
highest point is 4.5 metres above sea level. But the researchers found seven islands had spread by
more than 3 percent on average since the 1950s.

One island, Funamanu, gained 0.44 hectares or nearly 30 percent of its previous area.
And the research showed similar trends in the Republic of Kiribati, where the three main urbanised
islands also "grew" - Betio by 30 percent (36ha), Bairiki by 16.3 percent (5.8ha) and Nanikai by
12.5 percent (0.8ha).

Webb, an expert on coastal processes, told the New Scientist the trend was explained by the fact
the islands mostly comprised coral debris eroded from encircling reefs and pushed up onto the
islands by winds and waves.

The process was continuous, because the corals were alive, he said.

In effect the islands respond to changes in weather patterns and climate - Cyclone Bebe deposited
140ha of sediment on the eastern reef of Tuvalu in 1972, increasing the main island's area by 10
percent.

But the two men warned that while the islands were coping for now, any acceleration in the rate of
sea level rise could re-instate the earlier gloomy predictions.

No one knows how fast the islands can grow, and calculating sea level rise is an inexact science.

Climate experts have generally raised estimates for sea level rise - the United Nations spoke in
late 2009 of a maximum 2 metre rise by 2100, up from 18-59cm estimated in 2007.
Roger Coppock
2010-06-03 05:51:45 UTC
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[ . . . ]
"The sea level will go up and the island will start responding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism

Let's not waste our time on obvious pseudo-science like this.
OK?
BrentC
2010-06-03 10:05:03 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 22:51:45 -0700 (PDT), Roger Coppock
Post by Roger Coppock
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/nz-research-shows-pacific-islands-not...
Published: 6:06AM Thursday June 03, 2010
[ . . . ]
"The sea level will go up and the island will start responding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism
Let's not waste our time on obvious pseudo-science like this.
OK?
interesting response - not unexpected
Climate Realist
2010-06-03 11:49:08 UTC
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On Jun 3, 5:51 pm, Roger Coppock <***@adnc.com> wrote:
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Roger,

Like many alarmists, you seem to enjoy lying and creating strawmen, in
order to try to discredit any scientific research which doesn't
support AGW.

This creates bad karma.

This study has NOTHING to do with animism. It is detailing the
scientific process of island building.

But there is another possibility.

Perhaps alarmists who have accumulated a large amount of bad karma by
lying about AGW, are being reborn as coral. When this breaks off, the
debri is pushed up onto the islands by winds and waves, to reverse the
effects of rising sea levels. This produces good karma, to counteract
the bad karma generated by earlier alarmism. The cycle is complete,
and next time alarmists can be reborn as a higher life form, perhaps a
slug, or a cockroach.
dr yacub
2010-06-03 16:24:41 UTC
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Roger,
Like many alarmists, you seem to enjoy lying and creating strawmen,
That's a left-turd-demonkrap-progressive thing.
Bareback Insane O'bungler is always drooling on and on
about a question nobody asked or a point of view nobody holds.

tards.
Post by Climate Realist
in
order to try to discredit any scientific research which doesn't
support AGW.
This creates bad karma.
This study has NOTHING to do with animism. It is detailing the
scientific process of island building.
But there is another possibility.
Perhaps alarmists who have accumulated a large amount of bad karma by
lying about AGW, are being reborn as coral. When this breaks off, the
debri is pushed up onto the islands by winds and waves, to reverse the
effects of rising sea levels. This produces good karma, to counteract
the bad karma generated by earlier alarmism. The cycle is complete,
and next time alarmists can be reborn as a higher life form, perhaps a
slug, or a cockroach.
Eric Gisin
2010-06-03 18:52:18 UTC
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Woger thinks he is smart. Woger is actually an obsessed green fuck.
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/nz-research-shows-pacific-islands-not...
Published: 6:06AM Thursday June 03, 2010
[ . . . ]
"The sea level will go up and the island will start responding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism

Let's not waste our time on obvious pseudo-science like this.
OK?

Roger Dewhurst
2010-06-03 10:07:41 UTC
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Post by Eric Gisin
No one knows how fast the islands can grow, and calculating sea level
rise is an inexact science.
They have managed to keep up with the 100 metre rise in sea level since
the last retreat of the ice. No doubt they will continue to do so.

R
Giga2
2010-06-03 10:56:14 UTC
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http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/nz-research-shows-pacific-islands-not...
Published: 6:06AM Thursday June 03, 2010
An Auckland University researcher has offered new hope to the myriad small island nations in the
Pacific which have loudly complained their low-lying atolls will drown as global warming boosts sea
levels.
Geographer Associate Professor Paul Kench has measured 27 islands where local sea levels have risen
120mm - an average of 2mm a year - over the past 60 years, and found that just four had diminished
in size.
Working with Arthur Webb at the Fiji-based South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission, Kench used
historical aerial photographs and high-resolution satellite images to study changes in the land
area of the islands.
They found that the remaining 23 had either stayed the same or grown bigger, according to the
research published in a scientific journal, Global and Planetary Change.
"It has been thought that as the sea level goes up, islands will sit there and drown," Prof Kench
told the New Scientist. "But they won't.
"The sea level will go up and the island will start responding.
One of the highest profile islands - in a political sense - was Tuvalu, where politicians and
climate change campaigners have repeatedly predicted it will be drowned by rising seas, as its
highest point is 4.5 metres above sea level. But the researchers found seven islands  had spread by
more than 3 percent on average since the 1950s.
One island, Funamanu, gained 0.44 hectares or nearly 30 percent of its previous area.
And the research showed similar trends in the Republic of Kiribati, where the three main urbanised
islands also "grew"  - Betio by 30 percent (36ha), Bairiki by 16.3 percent (5.8ha) and Nanikai by
12.5 percent (0.8ha).
Webb, an expert on coastal processes, told the New Scientist the trend was explained by the fact
the islands mostly comprised coral debris eroded from encircling reefs and pushed up onto the
islands by winds and waves.
The process was continuous, because the corals were alive, he said.
In effect the islands respond to changes in weather patterns and climate - Cyclone  Bebe deposited
140ha of sediment on the eastern reef of Tuvalu in 1972, increasing the main island's area by 10
percent.
But the two men warned that while the islands were coping for now, any acceleration in the rate of
sea level rise could re-instate the earlier gloomy predictions.
No one knows how fast the islands can grow, and calculating sea level rise is an inexact science.
Climate experts have generally raised estimates for sea level rise - the United Nations spoke in
late 2009 of a maximum 2 metre rise by 2100, up from 18-59cm estimated in 2007.
Also on the bbc:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia_pacific/10222679.stm
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